Q3: Men in Black
"The Supreme Court has simply abolished your right to the free exercise of your religion in public." I am unsure how true this statement is. What do you think?
Val: I think it’s mostly true. For example, if you pray at a restaurant and someone objects, they could sue you but I doubt even this liberal SC atmosphere would accept it as a legitimate case. However, there have been cases where people had religious symbols like a cross or whatever on their lawn and they got sued and lost. It’s a slippery slope. The statement is probably NOT fully true now, but it is slowly becoming true.
Jason: Example: public high schools having graduation at churches.
[discussion with Kevin about nativity scenes on lawns and public high school prayer…..]
Joe: People get emotional about their kids and influences over them. That’s one way people’s rights have been curtailed, with how kids get influenced and raised. Ppl should exercise their religion at home if their kids are in public school.
Jn: Examples – kids’ choice to wear Christian t shirt at school, and they were asked to leave school or change shirt. Whereas, another religion could wear their shirt and not be asked the same.
Joe: What if a kid wanted to wear a shirt with “fuck“ on it? Freedom of speech.
Val: It’s against the rules; it’s not a religious thing. Kids cannot cuss on campus; therefore they can’t wear a shirt that has it on there.
Elaine: Compared to other countries, students have a lot of freedom with what they can do/wear at school.
Ge: France – law preventing students from covering their heads (Muslims included).
Elaine: When people judge something, they have their own opinions and it’s different from others. (Who’s to say who’s right?) People are judging based on their own experiences and what they think is right. I don’t think they should abolish your right to say things.
Jn: Yes, we have many freedoms, but we don’t want to go down the slope to become like other countries whose rights are more abridged. We have to prevent things now to prevent becoming like those countries.
Ge: What’s good for one person isn’t good for another.
Jn: It’s good that the Const is general when it comes to religion – then one group isn’t ruling. Not which religion is better, but who was violating someone’s rights.
Jer: I feel like secularism is our govt religion.
[discussion on judges circumventing will of people through elections by deciding on their own what they think is right, even if it goes “against” the will of the people]
Ge: But what the majority thinks isn’t always right
Val: I can see that – e.g., racial segregation, slavery…
Jn: But should judges interpret/decide what people should eventually think/feel, or…
[more discussion….]
Joe: Do you really trust your neighbor to decide what’s best for you?
Jn: That’s why everyone should be involved in politics and be informed.
Joe: That could be scary – look at Rock the Vote – stoned out idiots checking boxes?!
Val: I think it’s mostly true. For example, if you pray at a restaurant and someone objects, they could sue you but I doubt even this liberal SC atmosphere would accept it as a legitimate case. However, there have been cases where people had religious symbols like a cross or whatever on their lawn and they got sued and lost. It’s a slippery slope. The statement is probably NOT fully true now, but it is slowly becoming true.
Jason: Example: public high schools having graduation at churches.
[discussion with Kevin about nativity scenes on lawns and public high school prayer…..]
Joe: People get emotional about their kids and influences over them. That’s one way people’s rights have been curtailed, with how kids get influenced and raised. Ppl should exercise their religion at home if their kids are in public school.
Jn: Examples – kids’ choice to wear Christian t shirt at school, and they were asked to leave school or change shirt. Whereas, another religion could wear their shirt and not be asked the same.
Joe: What if a kid wanted to wear a shirt with “fuck“ on it? Freedom of speech.
Val: It’s against the rules; it’s not a religious thing. Kids cannot cuss on campus; therefore they can’t wear a shirt that has it on there.
Elaine: Compared to other countries, students have a lot of freedom with what they can do/wear at school.
Ge: France – law preventing students from covering their heads (Muslims included).
Elaine: When people judge something, they have their own opinions and it’s different from others. (Who’s to say who’s right?) People are judging based on their own experiences and what they think is right. I don’t think they should abolish your right to say things.
Jn: Yes, we have many freedoms, but we don’t want to go down the slope to become like other countries whose rights are more abridged. We have to prevent things now to prevent becoming like those countries.
Ge: What’s good for one person isn’t good for another.
Jn: It’s good that the Const is general when it comes to religion – then one group isn’t ruling. Not which religion is better, but who was violating someone’s rights.
Jer: I feel like secularism is our govt religion.
[discussion on judges circumventing will of people through elections by deciding on their own what they think is right, even if it goes “against” the will of the people]
Ge: But what the majority thinks isn’t always right
Val: I can see that – e.g., racial segregation, slavery…
Jn: But should judges interpret/decide what people should eventually think/feel, or…
[more discussion….]
Joe: Do you really trust your neighbor to decide what’s best for you?
Jn: That’s why everyone should be involved in politics and be informed.
Joe: That could be scary – look at Rock the Vote – stoned out idiots checking boxes?!
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