Q4: Men in Black
Religious tolerance: Seems like most of the conflicts with reference to religion seem to stem from religious intolerance. For instance, atheists unable to tolerate even the mention of ‘God’, and some of the Christians failing to tolerate other religious practices and rituals. So, how could we arrive at a mutual tolerance level?
[Calvary Chapel/high school graduations at churches issue]
Val: I’d be uncomfortable with my kid graduating at a mosque.
Jn: It wouldn’t bother me. It’s just a building. But I can see how secularists would be offended at the cross on the wall.
CAROLYN REIDERMAN ENTERS, RETURNING FROM RUNNING.
Carolyn: But the cross represents Christ, which is a historical event.
Jn: But it’s also a religious event.
Joe: I mentioned the shirt business – it bugs me. It felt intrusive, in your face. Why can’t school be about learning. Why does it have to be about what goes on on Sunday or whatever. More than being a Constitutional issue, it bugs me.
Ge: Is that intolerance on your part?
Joe: It didn’t bug me until it happened 100 times.
Ge: There seems to be so much intolerance that leads to these SC cases. Why do we have such intolerance toward religion?
Jn: Yes, school IS about intellectual endeavors. But isn’t religion a part of that b/c it has defined so much of that. Wherever the religion, it has fostered learning. And isn’t religion part of the human experience.
Elaine: What about students who are in the religious minority? What about their feelings when they see the majority wearing their t-shirts?
Ge: Here’s something I grew up with. I grew up in Christian schools. At home, there are a variety of religious schools. Parents have their choice of where to send kids. Since many people think Catholic schools are the best, Hindu kids went to Catholic schools. They learned the catechism just like everyone else, which you had to know to pass the grade. They didn’t complain about it. There was tolerance and it was good. These are Catholic PUBLIC schools.
Jn: I think everyone believes in SOMETHING, whether you have a definition of it or not.
Ge: What causes this intolerance?
Elaine: War is intolerance.
Joe: You’re saying religious intolerance is getting worse?
Ge: yes.
Jer: I don’t think so. Look at the Inquisition…
Jn: I think he means in the last 20 years.
Jer: People are more tolerant now than they ever have been.
Ge: My opinion comes from all these lawsuits.
Jer: That’s b/c of our ridiculously litigious society.
Ge: Our system accommodates it. …
Jer: People need crusades, like the atheist who couldn’t stand prayer in schools.
[George asks what’s a crusade; discussion …]
Val: People who say they are tolerant are intolerant of say, Christianity. In order to create tolerance and equality for someone and protect their rights, someone ELSE’s rights have to be trampled on.
Jason: Is it the judges’ purview to decide things like that?
[Calvary Chapel/high school graduations at churches issue]
Val: I’d be uncomfortable with my kid graduating at a mosque.
Jn: It wouldn’t bother me. It’s just a building. But I can see how secularists would be offended at the cross on the wall.
CAROLYN REIDERMAN ENTERS, RETURNING FROM RUNNING.
Carolyn: But the cross represents Christ, which is a historical event.
Jn: But it’s also a religious event.
Joe: I mentioned the shirt business – it bugs me. It felt intrusive, in your face. Why can’t school be about learning. Why does it have to be about what goes on on Sunday or whatever. More than being a Constitutional issue, it bugs me.
Ge: Is that intolerance on your part?
Joe: It didn’t bug me until it happened 100 times.
Ge: There seems to be so much intolerance that leads to these SC cases. Why do we have such intolerance toward religion?
Jn: Yes, school IS about intellectual endeavors. But isn’t religion a part of that b/c it has defined so much of that. Wherever the religion, it has fostered learning. And isn’t religion part of the human experience.
Elaine: What about students who are in the religious minority? What about their feelings when they see the majority wearing their t-shirts?
Ge: Here’s something I grew up with. I grew up in Christian schools. At home, there are a variety of religious schools. Parents have their choice of where to send kids. Since many people think Catholic schools are the best, Hindu kids went to Catholic schools. They learned the catechism just like everyone else, which you had to know to pass the grade. They didn’t complain about it. There was tolerance and it was good. These are Catholic PUBLIC schools.
Jn: I think everyone believes in SOMETHING, whether you have a definition of it or not.
Ge: What causes this intolerance?
Elaine: War is intolerance.
Joe: You’re saying religious intolerance is getting worse?
Ge: yes.
Jer: I don’t think so. Look at the Inquisition…
Jn: I think he means in the last 20 years.
Jer: People are more tolerant now than they ever have been.
Ge: My opinion comes from all these lawsuits.
Jer: That’s b/c of our ridiculously litigious society.
Ge: Our system accommodates it. …
Jer: People need crusades, like the atheist who couldn’t stand prayer in schools.
[George asks what’s a crusade; discussion …]
Val: People who say they are tolerant are intolerant of say, Christianity. In order to create tolerance and equality for someone and protect their rights, someone ELSE’s rights have to be trampled on.
Jason: Is it the judges’ purview to decide things like that?
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